Katalin Szupkay – The pelvic floor

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Episode sequencing:

• [00:00:20] Introduction to the Love Health Center & episode context
• [00:01:06] Setting today’s intention
• [00:01:28] Universal relevance of the pelvic floor
• [00:01:50] Basic understanding of the pelvic floor
• [00:03:18] Transition to misconceptions section
• [00:03:30] Misconception: Pelvic floor is only for women
• [00:04:12] Misconception: Pelvic floor is a single-layer muscle
• [00:06:30] Weight and support function of the pelvic floor
• [00:07:02] Misconception: Training = posture and squeeze
• [00:07:59] Link between pelvic floor, jaw, voice, expression
• [00:08:58] Misconception: Online “pelvic floor exercises” are incorrect
• [00:09:35] True pelvic floor training: map, micro-moves, relaxation
• [00:10:15] Misconception: Training requires weights or accessories
• [00:11:09] Neural development and sensory mapping
• [00:15:58] Recap of misconceptions (summary section)
• [00:17:01] Transition to advice and key principles
• [00:18:24] Developing the brain–pelvic floor connection
• [00:19:41] Role of blood circulation and hormone balance
• [00:21:40] Emotional dimension of pelvic floor muscles
• [00:22:12] Benefits of pelvic floor development
• [00:24:50] Personal experience: discovering the method
• [00:27:45] Ageing myths and the body’s adaptability
• [00:29:12] Muscle memory, practice and learning curve
• [00:31:50] Early training challenges and long-term progress
• [00:32:30] Introducing the pelvic floor workshop
• [00:32:55] Structure and origins of the Kriston method
• [00:35:14] Mind, belief and the “mental blind spot” concept
• [00:38:01] Workshop logistics and format (men/women anatomy)
• [00:39:11] What to expect during the workshop
• [00:40:00] Support for children with pee/poo regulation issues
• [00:41:24] Bedwetting: emotional stress and solutions
• [00:43:10] Advice: start today
• [00:43:20] Pelvic floor as a lifelong journey
• [00:43:58] Closing gratitude and acknowledgments

Podcast transcript with Katalin Szupkay:

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• [00:00:00] Jingle Intro: Entr’nous. Entr’Nous, le Podcast, pour parler, de sexualité, pour vous, avec vous, pour vous.
• [00:00:20] Olivier Mageren: Welcome to the 70th episode of the podcast « Entr’Nous », the podcast of the « Love Health Center », an association based in Brussels, in Belgium, which is there for helping people in their relationship, sexuality and wellness. We produce most of the podcast in French, but from time to time, for certain topics, we propose podcasts in English. Welcome today to Katalin. I’m there with Katalin, the « OrgasmiK Couple ». We are both administrators of the Love Health Center association. Today we will talk about the pelvic floor.
• [00:00:58] Katalin Szupkay: And the secret revealed « Entr’Nous », you can hear me in the jingle.
• [00:01:06] Olivier Mageren: Exactly! we always start with the intention. Can you tell us what is your intention? Today I will interview Katalin. So it’s a discussion but it’s more an interview style to develop the subject.
• [00:01:21] Katalin Szupkay: The intention to create curiosity and deeper knowledge about the pelvic floor.
• [00:01:28] Olivier Mageren: Thank you. One advice: stay with us! Whoever you are, a man or a woman, you are young, old, whatever. Because this subject concerns you. It concerns everybody. That’s the main message of the podcast. So, please stay until the end. I hope you will learn a lot of stuff and it’s really essential for any human.
• [00:01:50] Katalin Szupkay: What I offer: you can learn something interesting, giving you some new insights about the body. Let’s start with recapping just the basic knowledge about the pelvic floor. Because we don’t know who is listening right now, where they are coming from. In general, when we hear about pelvic floor, we just hear a couple of things. One is incontinency, second is when women prepare themselves for the birth. And the third maybe some women training for training their vagina you know for the, like a performance. And maybe we have this misconception in the mind, that’s all about the pelvic floor. But in reality, this is the « one layer » which is closing our body. It’s true. That is maybe what people knows about it. But in fact it’s related to your posture. Keeping the body in balance is related to your breath, it’s related to your lower abdominal organs, which is not just sexual, reproduction, it’s about all like living out your waste of your body, peeing, pooing.
• [00:03:18] Olivier Mageren: So let’s start with some misconception about the pelvic floor. Briefly, let’s cover about, I think, seven topics. What is the main misconception about the pelvic floor?
• [00:03:30] Katalin Szupkay: First of all, if you are a human, you have pelvic floor. It’s not just a women thing, men also have.
• [00:03:40] Olivier Mageren: And it’s rare of course, that we talk about the pelvic floor for the men. It’s very rare in a, even for kiné or at the doctors, or in the social media that we talk about the pelvic floor for men. Hopefully now we talk about it, but with a kind of performance approach on social media, and it’s way wider and interesting topic than just performance. Because it’s emphasised against lack or misconception about this area. So yes, it’s for men, especially for men.
• [00:04:12] Katalin Szupkay: And it’s not just about performance, it’s about more in more angles. And here we are with the second misconception. People believe it’s like a one layer muscles, like a hammock, and it’s closing. And in fact it’s a multiple layered muscles like imagine it’s a building. There is a ground floor, then the first floor and the second floor, and each of them is responsible for different function. So when we come to the ground floor, it’s the welcoming of the body. This is the distance. Like creating the gate between the outside world and the inside world. And it’s all connected to the sexual arousal. Like when you’re starting to be excited. This is the layer which is working very well and supporting the process in the body and preparing the vagina to bring it in the penis. And also connected to the opening of the vagina, urethra and the anal. So it’s related the orgasmic contraction also and help to stabilise the perineum. Then we come to the first floor, which is the support and the spincter layer, and helps maintain continence also. And the deepest layer is the core support is, um, keeping the organs at the right place, which means imagine your bladder like a balloon which is on the trampoline. The trampoline is your muscles and the balloon is the bladder, and it’s starting to fill in with your pee. So imagine that the people are coming in the balloon and they are jumping on the trampoline. So this means the weight of your pee for the body and for these organs. So it helps to stabilise and keep everything at the right pace. Even it’s having more and more production collecting in the bladder and the ampulla about the rectum.
• [00:06:30] Olivier Mageren: One exercise you can do just an experiment is in the morning. For instance, you can pee in a bottle and check the weight of the pee. That’s the weight of the bladder when it’s full. And imagine it should be maintained by this pelvic floor trampoline. Let’s call it this way, and it should be supported by the ligaments. The muscles, the fibers, the fascia and so on. So it’s really significant when you have this half a kg or so in the hand. You can imagine that it’s important to reinforce the pelvic floor to stay healthy.
• [00:07:02] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah. The next misconception is when people talk about the training of these muscles, they say it’s like, oh, you are going in this and that posture, and you move your body and you just squeeze release maybe together, which is the reason why it’s misconception. First of all, it’s a multiple layers of muscles. Second, if anyone goes to the gym, they know you have to train your muscles in three ways, which is the the speed, the strength and the endurance. So if we talk about the proper training, proper muscle training, if you miss these aspects of the muscles, you have to create a brain, a cortical connection.
• [00:07:59] Olivier Mageren: And it made me think. Also, there is usually a link between the pelvic floor and the jaw, the bottom of the face, the head and the voice, and the pelvic floor, which is really connected, expressing yourself, your voice and the pelvic floor. But imagine how many details you need to train when you want to sing. For singing courses, imagine the numbers of exercises you can do to fine tune and improve your voice, your communication, and all those muscles. It’s complex, and it’s also complex for the pelvic floor. It’s just not one muscle, and one posture. Because yesterday we checked again on internet. We type on YouTube « pelvic floor exercise », and we see a lot of exercise that is not really about pelvic floor exercise. Of course, a posture, moving the legs and so on will impact a bit or will have an effect on the pelvic floor, but it’s really not a real exercise of the pelvic floor. In fact.
• [00:08:58] Katalin Szupkay: It’s not focussed exercise. It’s a could have impact on your muscles indirectly, but not a direct muscle straining. So the direct muscle training is like even if you lay down on the floor and you don’t move your body, you can strengthen your body. It’s from outside. It looks like you just lay down on the ground and look up like a meditation, and you are strengthening your muscles. So it’s a big misconception about the training because it’s a straight muscles, which is trainable. That’s the good news. You just need a proper way to create the first of all, the map in the mind, the detailed map about where you can find each of the little muscles in these layers in the three layers, and also how you can squeeze them, like to the maximum level. Also to create the tiniest, the micro movement. And also how you can relax them. All these is a part of the muscle training.
• [00:10:15] Olivier Mageren: One misconception is also as you mentioned, when you go to the gym or whatever, people used to think that to train muscles you need a weight, an external force, action – reaction. And I like to compare the pelvic floor with the voice or with the face. When you are making faces, you have a lot of muscles on your face to express emotions, but nobody thinks about putting weight on the face or on the voice, on the throat to exercise those muscles like for the pelvic floor. Sometimes people use yoni egg or geisha balls, or artificial stuff or Kegel or whatever. Of course these get an impact, but basically you don’t need that. All those elements, sometimes it’s even destructive or damaging the area. So you need to be very careful. You don’t need anything else than being yourself. No accessories. It’s an inner work.
• [00:11:09] Katalin Szupkay: And if you think about the baby who is developing, the control over the hand at the beginning. It’s starting with trying to catch an object and that showing the level of development in the cortex in how the nerve system wired. So the baby is there. The baby has nerves in the body, baby has muscles in the body, but it’s not created yet the detailed connection with each of the muscles. Even like what needed in the movement of holding a cup or a mug. And then the baby is growing. They are developing these nerves. They have a nice control. So not anymore just throwing things from the table because they want to catch a vase, for example. Because it’s really interesting item. So they start to develop this control on the muscles. And the nervous system is developing in the brain, in the cortex. So the wire there are more and more wiring in the brain. And once it’s ready, the child starting to use a small item for expressing like drawing. Then later on in the school starting to write letters. And anyone who has kids, they knows how the first looks like by the kids. It’s like really disorientated and and, um, difficult sometimes to even read what they write. And then later on they are developing and developing. And once it’s going, even more details and more sensory experience while they are using the nerves. Okay. The kids are not interested in these details. So it’s everything happens automatically. But then they can draw a beautiful picture or they can paint a beautiful picture or you can develop for different skills. It’s nothing different in the pelvic floor. But in general, if I say to a woman and I’m asking like: Oh, which area of your vagina do you feel better? The front or the back or the top or the entrance? Sometimes women say regularly the answer is like: he!? and it’s not about something wrong. It’s not about the muscles are not there. It’s not about something they are unique. It’s just all about the nerve connection. Detailed nerve connection and sensory connection is not there yet. And also there is no knowledge how does it could look like? Because even if you don’t research about this area and you don’t see visually like how many muscle fibers are there. The easiest to imagine it’s like a hammock. Originally, Kegel was developing a method for women which was using a device he put inside the vagina he placed inside the vagina, and the women had to squeeze release, squeeze release and three times, 20 minutes. That was only the exercise of the Kegel. But he was the first who started to develop about the training to focus on this area. It was purely developed for women. And, uh, it’s missing the three aspects as well. What I mentioned before, the speed, the strength and endurance form of training specifically for the muscles. So whenever you hear Kegel exercise, remember it’s just the beginning. It’s a really good beginning to hear about it, but it’s just the beginning of the journey. And here we are. The last misconception is you should think about your pelvic floor when you have a problem, which is possible to create a self rehabilitation when you already have some form of symptoms. It could be tiny like slightly you are experiencing cramps in the muscles, maybe around the anal area, or could be developed further where you have incontinence or or maybe prostate related symptoms. But that means it’s already a developed strength weakness. And also it’s not just weakness. It could be the body is not able to relax the muscles.
• [00:15:58] Olivier Mageren: Can you recap very briefly bullet point the misconception before to go to the next step about the advice and the key element to develop the pelvic floor?
• [00:16:08] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah. So the first one, every human being has a pelvic floor, which means men too. It’s not one layer of muscles. It’s a multiple layer. With the third it has a multiple function. It’s not just about sexual arousal. Then the fourth is the typical training, which is body posture. And the fifth, it’s you don’t need any weight to train the muscles. And the sixth is an inner work. It’s not outside, it’s inner work. And the seventh is only you need to focus on the pelvic floor when you have a problem. And the bonus was, is focus on when you hear Kegel exercise it is just the beginning.
• [00:17:01] Olivier Mageren: Thank you. So let’s go to the next chapter of this podcast about the tips. And what are the main recommendations or understanding for starting to develop the pelvic floor. You mentioned the baby stuff. It’s a very good comparison is when you look a baby taking or how a human developed the ability to use the hand from being, uh, unskilled to take a cup, an object, and then using a pencil or drawing with colour. Sometimes it’s the beginning is really complex to follow the lines or the drawing lines, and then you’re starting to draw and write, and then you can develop a talent, artistic talent. So you see that from one years old to one and a half to two, three, four, six, ten, 20 years old, you can still develop many stuff about the hand, and that’s a good similarity with the pelvic floor. It’s also complex. It’s also a lot of muscles, a lot of abilities interconnected with a lot of functions, nerve system, blood system, lymphatic system, production, fertility. So imagine how rich is the nerve system in this area. If you look at internet, all the nerves in this area is really incredible. That’s the first advice. Think about this baby development. And what would be the second one Katalin.
• [00:18:24] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah, it’s connected like the nerve development you have to create. Like developing the map, the nerves map in the mind. Because these are muscles. It’s not just one muscle. And if you ever ask a person who beautifully drew or beautifully sing, they always mention it’s not about talent. The muscles are there. And it’s a proper muscle train. Singing is a proper muscle. Training is nothing different with the pelvic floor.
• [00:19:01] Olivier Mageren: And really creating a link between the brain and the bottom of the body is really important. We need to develop the neurone really to connect both. And you need time. You need repetition. You need sometimes, you can use accessories to feel this area for some people is completely dormant, disconnected, numbed or whatever. So sometimes using an accessory egg whatever, a tiny small egg just sufficient to feel the area could help to bridge the brain and the pelvic floor. That’s really essential. Think about the neurones. That’s the key element of developing the consciousness.
• [00:19:41] Katalin Szupkay: Also, the other part of the development is once you develop a muscles, it’s developing the blood circulation. So that’s the basic core of the body. Each of the cells first of all, need nutrition and the waste being cleaned from the area of your body. And then you learn how to develop these muscles. Then you create a better blood circulation in that area. And it’s bringing better hormonal system also because for instance, in the prostate, if there is is a issue, it’s the side effect is the lack of blood circulation.
• [00:20:25] Olivier Mageren: So indeed what is usually misunderstood is that training the pelvic floor is improving the blood circulation, the nutriments circulation and hormones circulation from one organ to the others. So all organs coming from and to the prostate, for instance, is essential. So instead of saying there’s nothing to say about the prostate or suddenly you have a problem, but in between there is a big universe of taking care about yourself, and the muscles are essential, and the blood circulation is the key of the health. Imagine if you cut the blood circulation from any organs. They will have negative impacts. It’s the same for the lower organs with genital organs and prostate, for instance for the men, but the same for the woman, for the womb, the uterus, for the vagina. Everything needs to have as much as possible of nutriments, hormones communication, oxygen. And also the waste with the lymphatic system should function and is supported and stimulated by the muscles and the blood circulation. So really think how important it is to take care consciously of this area daily.
• [00:21:40] Katalin Szupkay: And the bonus nuggets is these muscles are emotional muscles.
• [00:21:45] Olivier Mageren: That’s the third advice to understand. And « emotional » usually it’s about typically for the woman the menstruation related for instance could be and for the man it could be related to the prostate for instance or the erection.
• [00:22:03] Katalin Szupkay: And some women with the muscles development achieve no pain or crumble at the menstruation.
• [00:22:12] Olivier Mageren: Now we can talk indeed about the benefits. What is the benefits to develop daily, regularly, and all the life, even from young age, from the teenager age, start to develop that. What are the typical benefits we can observe? So maybe it’s not a generalisation, maybe it will concern you or not. Maybe you will experience it yourself or not. But think about all those possible big benefits, because sometimes it’s a really big shift in your life when you transform a difficulty into a solution.
• [00:22:46] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah. So the benefit of the training, it could be for women, it’s related to the menstruation. If you also for men related to the prostate because it’s one of the number one emotional organ for the men. It’s related to fertility. It’s related to production, which is peeing pooing. If you have any emotional effect, by going in the unknown place and you have the tendency of holding back, retaining the production, also having urgency to pee or maybe poo. The texture of the production also. And maybe you’re afraid of infection, inflammation. If you have any form of surgery the rehabilitation, healing, recovery of the childbirth, recovery of any surgery, it’s faster and smoother for the body.
• [00:23:48] Olivier Mageren: Yeah. So I will repeat because it’s so important imagine you can solve menstruation problem or relation from yourself to the menstruation. You can increase your fertility. It’s huge. You can also solve production pee and poo problems. You can improve also some infection or inflammation of the organs. You can improve the hormonal balance. You can also improve your sexual confidence. It’s not about performance at all. It’s just about increasing your self-confidence, about your body. How it works and how you can play with it. That’s so incredible. So many benefits. Probably different for everyone or a combination. But that’s so, so nice, in fact, to take care of this part of the body. And now let’s talk about our own experience, what we experience in our lives. So, Katalin, can you share with us some personal experience?
• [00:24:50] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah. For instance, you were the person in my life who highlighted the importance of the pelvic floor. And that was the moment when you asked me is like, oh, with the Love Health Center, would you be a person who is training people? And I said, oh, it’s interesting you say that. I know a Hungarian woman who developed the training and has a an almost 40 years experience now with development program and created a method, a unique method. And the life brought up this opportunity for us to bring this method into different location, Europe wise. First of all, I was amazed by the knowledge to discover what I was already knew from different angle like from what the body is capable like, how amazing complex synergy in the body. And it was another nuggets, another piece of the puzzle of the pelvic floor, like how much it’s affecting us and how much is it helping us just to leave the day by day life even without knowing? Because many things are automatically controlled by the brain and supporting us enough even we don’t have the good posture on the day by day life. Even if we do habits which against the natural production of people. So it was amazing to discover details by details these muscle fibers and like little kids enjoying oh I can feel that, I can feel this face like oh now I see the anatomic picture. And now I can imagine in 3D and not just imagine. I can feel them. I can feel each of the fiber and muscle and with the with the training. It’s um, like a ten weeks period. While you can achieve the detailed nerve connection with each of the fiber, and also now I’m experiencing the bonus. The cherry on the top is the sexual experience. So for instance, now I’m able to consciously in the middle of the penetration to squeeze the muscles, at the same time enjoying the penetration and squeeze the muscles. And with the squeezing, increasing the intensity of the experience, the sensation. It’s a I’m lucky because when I started the training, I did not have any negative symptoms like incontinence or anything. So thankfully I came across to this training and the muscles development at the right time before I had any impact on my body.
• [00:27:45] Olivier Mageren: And I remember you told me yesterday when we were preparing this podcast that, uh, one of the messages you want to give is we used to hear in the society that by ageing you will lose abilities. It’s normal to loose abilities. You will have negative consequences or the health will start to collapse or whatever. And it’s humiliating, especially when you talk about the pelvic floor, because it’s connected to so many stuff, our memories, life experience, sexuality, pee and poo production, self-confidence. It’s so important you mentioned that the body is so complex system. Everything is interconnected and we can even further develop what we say today. It’s just the basics, but we can even further develop with so many approach the magic of the pelvic floor. And it’s a very complex piece of the body puzzle.
• [00:28:38] Katalin Szupkay: Also, the body is a very smart system, very efficient. So whenever you use if you don’t use something, you loose it. So and also once you develop the muscle memory, it will be longer with you than your conscious remembering. If you think about your Pin code, if you need to say the numbers, it’s more difficult than go to the machine, the ATM and just press it because your muscles have a deeper memory. Once you practice something.
• [00:29:12] Olivier Mageren: On my own experience, when I really started seriously, seriously to strengthen my pelvic floor, it was about eight years ago, I was a bit disappointed because I was not able to follow a basic exercise. Let’s say, oh, let’s contract and maintain. I was not able to maintain that, oh I can feel the impulse of contracting one muscles. I don’t know which one, but feeling a contraction down there. But it was impossible to maintain even two seconds. It’s like an impulse. Poof. And then nothing else behind. It was really dropping, and it was, I was a bit disappointed and discouraged because I say, oh, how is it possible I was not able to do any exercise except trying to create an impulse to feel something. Even not able to have a rapid contraction. And I say, ah, do rapid contraction in between contraction. I need a recovery moment, and then my body can, maybe 2 or 3 seconds later, make a second contraction. I say, ooh la la la la. It was a bit. I was very far from optimum situation. It came, uh, with, uh, months and months of practice. But I’m so happy because today I cannot imagine my life without a deep, deep connection with my pelvic floor. Because, for instance, we know that the pelvic floor is a diaphragm. And like the lung breathing diaphragm, there is a pelvic floor diaphragm. And both are connected. And we can imagine that the organs in between is like the air. And if everything is free to move, you know, in the core muscles, in the organs of digestion and so on, there is no tension whatever, there is a good connection between the two diaphragms. And for me, the diaphragm of pelvic floor is like the net of a drum. If it’s too loose, there is no sound. If it’s too tight, it’s not working. So you need the proper tonus to make it healthy. And I remember one day I had a laugh. And then it was like a sex toys. My pelvic floor was so vibrating with the lungs that I have an orgasm. I say, wow, okay, now I understand why it’s so important or so just for the joy. I have a big smile all the day because wow, what I discover was amazing because of course all the organs that we are, whatever we are, men or women, all the genital organs are, they’re interconnected with the different layers of the pelvic floor. And when it’s very healthy, reactive, responsive, with a good tonus energy level and strength it is starting to be a completely different life. So that’s why for me, I’m so excited to make this podcast with you. Because it’s sharing our experience. Because we started from so far away in our respective life.
• [00:31:50] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah. And as you mentioned, this is the kind of stages of development. It’s at the beginning. Maybe you don’t feel it. Or maybe you start to squeeze and you cannot hold it like squeeze it, like keep it for long time. And it’s the key message. It is the way of the development. So it’s natural. So just if we inspired you to squeeze your pelvic floor right now, whatever you feel is great because it created the intention and it created the focus, which can help you to find the right, uh, information about it.
• [00:32:30] Olivier Mageren: And let’s start with the last chapters of this podcast. It’s about the workshop you are providing Katalin. So inside the Love Health Center Association Katalin is now providing workshop. And we are providing workshop for a while about this consciousness. Can you talk about the weekend workshop you propose and what people can expect from that? What is the audience?
• [00:32:55] Katalin Szupkay: As I mentioned before, I went to this lady, she called her Andrea Kriston and she developed a trademarked method, which is unique in a sense. It’s a combination of everything. First of all, one key element is the muscle. Throughout approximately 300 exercises, creating and developing the nerve map and the nerve connection with the muscles. Detail by detail. So by the end of the workshop, you will have at least a sense. Or it could be that it could be there. But as you mentioned, it may possible it’s not 100%. So it says creating, because the workshop is 12 hours. So the 12 hours of window is difficult to create a very strong nerve connection. So and by end of the workshop everybody go home with a personalised exercise series and they can develop the sensation like the baby. You go home and you just start to see the object. You just start to see, oh, I have a hand. And now I can develop the connection. So the first element is the muscles training, which is based on the traditional anatomy. And we focus on the three aspects of the speed, strength and endurance. The second element is our daily habits, which could be supportive or destructive for the area. And the third is a psychosomatic approach. All, the first creates a clean cortex to prepare for the exercise experience, because it’s possible the brain because of intense emotional experience from the past, or maybe generational passing through like genetically passing through information for the baby. It creates a form of blockage in the mind. So we were discussing this and I was really amazed. There are some women who are pregnant and they have a blockage about the pregnancy. Can you just recall this story? What you mentioned?
• [00:35:14] Olivier Mageren: Yeah. The strength of the mind of the nerve system and the consciousness. It’s about a pregnancy denial when someone denies she is pregnant. In my first family planning internship day, I experienced a pregnancy denial consultation. And it was amazing because the girls enter, like me, very slim. And she was about 16, 17 years old and very slim. She was in a sport school and for her it was impossible to consider she could be pregnant. And after, let’s say, half an hour of discussion, she starting not to believe, but to doubt about. Maybe it’s possible. I don’t think so. But it may be realistic. And then when she stand up after 45 minutes to leave the room, the belly was big, like a six months pregnancy, and it’s instantaneous. So the brain really something. And it was incredible to experience that to see all. So probably some of you that are listening the podcast experienced that in their family, their friends or maybe seen it in your profession. But once you see that, you understand that the body is not just a mechanic, it’s something way more complex and magic and what you think, what you believe, your thought is fundamental.
• [00:36:39] Katalin Szupkay: The easiest may be to imagine this blind spot or blockage when you go in another house and you are asking The salt is like, oh, like the woman who cook the dinner for you and you ask like, oh, I would like to have some salt, but it’s okay, just stay. I will pick up. And the woman say, go in the kitchen and you can find in this cupboard. And you open the cupboard and you look at and look, look and search for the salt. And you cannot see it. And you say it’s not there. I cannot see it. And then the woman stand up, go to the kitchen and in front of you in the middle of the shelf. The first container is the salt. And you say, ah, so that’s the power of the mind. And that’s why the third element is to clean the cortex, that area of the mind. So this method developed by Andrea Kriston has already almost 40 years of experience with providing the workshop for men and women. We have only two division. It’s based on biological division. It’s anatomically female or male body. And we call this way. It’s a man or a woman intimate training by Kriston method.
• [00:38:01] Olivier Mageren: Yeah. So the workshop is proposed either for only male anatomy or inscription for female anatomy, but not mixed gender because of the exercises that are different. Also, the method is a trademark.
• [00:38:15] Katalin Szupkay: Yes, and it’s a 12 hour long. But it’s possible to come to the workshop, either you have to be like the age that is an age limit of 18 years old. We can do some stretching towards to 16 years old, but in that case we have to be in touch with the parents. So we need a kind of permission. But the 16 years old could already attend the workshop, but is a special requirement here. The workshop being provided in English and also in Hungarian. But it’s available in case if you feel and you want to focus on the development, but you feel your situation is very special and unique and you want to work in 1 to 1, that’s possible also, then that case the timing is based on individual agreement.
• [00:39:05] Olivier Mageren: So can you explain what people will do during the workshop, what they can expect, what happen during the workshop?
• [00:39:11] Katalin Szupkay: So it’s a group session with no undressing, no contacting with other people. It’s like a One Direction. The trainer, it’s me, talks to you and you follow the instruction. And also we are not doing guided trauma releasing exercise. It’s basically I prepare you for swimming, I teach you to swim and you go home and you start to practice at home, the swimming.
• [00:39:39] Olivier Mageren: So there is no nudity. There is nobody touching each others and you are not forced to talk. If you want to share, you are free to share anything you want. Of course it’s interactive, but there is no demand to reveal to even express why you are there. If you have problems, symptoms, whatever, it’s your private life. You can say it or not. That’s not mandatory for the workshop.
• [00:40:00] Katalin Szupkay: So there is a possibility to train kids. And here I would like to talk to anyone who has this issue in the family or, you know, any family who has this issue. It’s when the kids are releasing pee like bedwetting. So when the kid has a problem or issue to control the production in any way during the day or during the night. I cannot emphasize how important message is that nothing is wrong with the child. Actually, the body of the child functioning well because there is a big emotional stress on the body and instead of having a heart attack or having something more serious. The body simply releasing this stress or wants to like, um, a warning sign like, hey, something is happening inside me with it. Sometimes it’s very unique understanding of the child, so it’s difficult to say finger pointing: oh, this is it. This is something really wrong? No, it’s a very unique understanding of the child which create a stress inside the child. So it’s possible to train also children with one by one like a 1 to 1 session. It’s not in a group session.
• [00:41:24] Olivier Mageren: Kids that have pee or poo problem. Really if you know someone, one family, one kid that suffer from this situation. Tell them there are solutions. Simple. There is no negative side effects just only positive side effect. It’s good for the health, for the wellness, the body conditions. And the sooner you learn the best, the sooner you start to learn the best. And myself, I was experiencing bedwetting in my life from four years old to 18, so it was a very, very long journey for me, 14 years of trouble and my parents that were amazing. They tried any techniques, medical techniques with devices, electronic device with alarms, with many stuff which I feel like a guinea pig in a clinical research. Uh, and it was just a nightmare. It was just increasing the problem and putting my self-confidence and also mine very down. In fact, I was in rejection with my body because, of course, if you experience bedwetting every day, all other teenagers age is very challenging. And the only solution is to put consciousness connection with the body. Learn how it works. Release the emotions. Connect the dots in the story of the person and the family. Because usually it’s connected to the story of the kids and also the family. And solving bedwetting is a such a gift. If I knew at that time there were a solution, but um, I would have been so happy I would have saved a lot of time. But anyway, life is as it is. So think about the kids and that’s a life changing method.
• [00:43:10] Katalin Szupkay: And love them.
• [00:43:11] Olivier Mageren: So let’s conclude. So from myself I have one tip: start today. As simple as that.
• [00:43:20] Katalin Szupkay: Yeah it’s like um, planting a tree. The best moment was 20 years ago. But the second best moment is the now.
• [00:43:29] Olivier Mageren: When it’s blossoming. Let’s think about a magnolia. Whatever. You plant a tree and one day their flowers and so on. And it’s so amazing. I say wow. You can admire the tree, but it’s a long process.
• [00:43:41] Katalin Szupkay: And remember, if you ever started a journey in the gym, throughout the process, how much you started to feel differently about your body is nothing different about this area. And remember, this area is trainable because of the biology.
• [00:43:58] Olivier Mageren: Thank you for listening.
• [00:44:00] Katalin Szupkay: Thank you for listening us.
• [00:44:02] Olivier Mageren: Thank you for bringing this Hungarian knowledge also and technique and method in Europe, in Belgium. And you can invite us if you have a group session or whatever, you can contact us. We can travel around Europe.
• [00:44:15] Katalin Szupkay: I believe in the description of the podcast will be our email address. But it’s also let me say it is pelvicfloor@love-health-center.org.
• [00:44:32] Olivier Mageren: And we finish usually with a gratitude. Do you have any gratitude today?
• [00:44:37] Katalin Szupkay: Oh a multiple. I’m grateful for the life or for you to create the consciousness about this area. Because until I didn’t know, I don’t know, difficult to estimate the impact on me. And since I consciously know it, it has impact on the other area of my life, what I’m capable, what I see about myself, me personally, In the past I had a trauma based misconception about the outlook of my genitals. And it has created a multiple impact on my health and the ability of enjoying my sexual life. And this is my drive to create, mission or create an impact in people’s life. And this is a possibility to create this relief. Nothing is wrong with you. It’s just your body is just many way of the body reaction, which is automated or unconscious. And once you bring it up, you create a sunlight on this mess. It can easily, within 24 hours, able to release.
• [00:45:56] Olivier Mageren: Thank you. And I also a gratitude for every people that are sharing the podcast of the Love Health Center from time to time. I hear that and it’s so much work, so much work in production also with ThePodcastFactoryOrg. So if you need to produce a podcast, the best address ever is ThePodcastFactoryOrg. So think about it and thank you for sharing the podcast around you, because it’s a pleasure to do it, and it’s a huge pleasure to hear that it’s spreading and nourishing people.
• [00:46:27] Katalin Szupkay: I’m so glad you mentioned this gratitude part of the podcast, it’s really create a good feeling. And I got so much out of this method, the Kriston method, and I want to give back to people, the independently if they choose this method or not, to create the consciousness around the pelvic floor. So I created an e-book to see it visually, what we were talking about, and collecting all the main important elements of this podcast. So, there will be a link provided where you can download this e-book.
• [00:47:07] Olivier Mageren: Have a nice day.
• [00:47:08] Katalin Szupkay: Entr’nous.
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