Steffi Eifler – Yoni-Positivity and authentic relating #65

In this episode, we once again talk about the Love Community (#64), this time through the eyes of co-founder Stefanie Eifler (Steffi Eifler).

Photo credit: Viktoria Gaus, Yvan Hannay, Nicolas Deru, Stefanie Eifler

Stefanie, who everyone simply calls Steffi, loves to combine her two passions and immerse herself in a world of aesthetics – in the beauty of tangible forms just as much as in the beauty of human connection. Whether as a graphic designer and artist or as an initiator and personal companion, her motivation is to welcome people just as they are. To soften their gaze, to create connection, to open and illustrate new perspectives, and to support each person’s heart energy to flow, and finding the way into their own authenticity.

She will share to you her own journey: how a tantric seminar opened her eyes to deep self-acceptance. How she moved beyond a destructive self-image and societal expectations into her authentic self. She shares about which role sexuality has played in this process, and what new freedoms can emerge when we start questioning norms we grew into.

Steffi will offer us insights into how she puts her artistic skills in service of people: in the form of intimate portrait sessions, massages, cuddle sessions, or tangible expressions such as books to take home. All with the intention of empowering the individuals who come to her.

The first of these propositions is especially close to her heart. One might wonder what purpose a portrait of one’s own intimate area – like the Yoni (Sanskrit for the female genitals) – could serve. For Steffi, it is about recognizing the own, completely individual beauty. About letting go of ideas of how we “should” look like, perhaps processing transgressive or difficult experiences with sensitive support, or simply discovering oneself anew. All of this within a respectful, confidential, and caring space. A jointly created ritual opens the way to the next step of self-empowerment for those interested, and this remarkable step is then manifested in a poetically inspired image.

Steffi has already accompanied several Yoni-bearing individuals along this path, and in the meantime has also begun to support the first Lingam-bearers (Lingam is in sanskrit the word for the male genitals).

We will talk about why this physical diversity is scientifically proofed aesthetically beautiful to the human eye, and how each person’s individuality brings richness into our lives. This episode is about the unity and diversity of being human – across borders, language barriers, or personal stories. Because the language of the heart – affection and empathy – is universal.

If all this resonates with you, feel invited to let this universe of the Love Community grow, and simply contact Steffi directly with whatever proposition interests you most: hello((at))intousia.com

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Steffi’s propositions – short links:

Intim-Portrait-Ritual: https://www.intousia.com/meet-your-temple/

Cuddle Sessions in group or individual settings: https://www.intousia.com/cuddle-spaces/

Heart opening Massage in an individual or couples’ session: https://www.intousia.com/heart-opening-ritual/

Accompaniment in individual sessions: https://www.intousia.com/personal-accompaniment/

Book – Guide du yoni massage: https://lavoieduplaisir.com/guide-initiatique-du-massage-de-la-yoni/

Recommendations which had a great impact on Steffi:

The book: Ethical slut by Janet W. Hardy: https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Janet-W-Hardy/dp/1587613379

Non-violent communication by Marshall Rosenberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7TONauJGfc

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Episode sequencing:

• [00:00:20] Introduction
• [00:00:33] Multilingualism
• [00:01:13] Introducing Steffi Eifler
• [00:02:34] How do you balance art and this project?
• [00:03:46] Steffi Eifler’s intentions
• [00:04:16] How would you define sexuality?
• [00:05:58] What helped you open up to your sexuality?
• [00:10:10] What inspires your genital drawings and vulva aesthetics?
• [00:15:39] How can people learn to love their genitals differently?
• [00:18:19] How can people start their genital drawing journey?
• [00:21:06] What other intimacy services do you offer?
• [00:24:08] Do emotions often arise during your sessions?
• [00:25:49] How does your community inspire authentic living?
• [00:28:15] How does your community bring together diverse cultures?
• [00:32:23] Any final tips or resources about sexuality?
• [00:34:29] What are you most grateful for right now?
• [00:35:38] End of the episode with Steffi Eifler

Podcast transcript with Steffi Eifler:

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• Jingle Intro: [00:00:00] « Entr’Nous », « Entr’Nous », « Le Podcast », « Pour parler », « De sexualité », « Par vous », « Avec vous », « Pour vous »
• Olivier: [00:00:20] Welcome in the 65 episode of the podcast of the Love Health Center « Entr’Nous ». And today I’m happy to welcome Steffi.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:00:28] Hello.
• Olivier: [00:00:30] So you are the partner of Nicolas?
• Steffi Eifler: [00:00:32] That’s true.
• Olivier: [00:00:33] And we already record a podcast in French recently. And you propose, even together, your partner in life and in profession also. And you propose activities in French and English. That’s really amazing.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:00:48] Yes it is. Yes. So for us, it’s amazing to do this, in fact, because we can see that the language does not have to be a barrier. So even though if you really don’t understand one word in our spaces, the heart language is more present, so it’s beautiful that we can mix all of these together and that we have a big multicultural approach with our spaces.
• Olivier: [00:01:13] And it’s nice. It’s pretty hard in the French part of the country, in Belgium, that people propose activities in French and English, especially in intimacy. And that’s a it’s a added value, I would say a pretty unique on your side. Can you present yourself to the audience who you are, Steffi?
• Steffi Eifler: [00:01:31] I am, I would say in my previous life I was a graphic designer or I actually am still a graphic designer, but my focus shifted the last years a lot because of my own private path. I discovered tantra for me and this tantric world, and that was opening for me a huge door into in a world that has a lot of more depth and knowledge for me. I could deeply integrate in my whole system, so that was, for me, a beautiful way to jump into this and to open new possibilities to propose now seminars with Nicola. My partner I met also in spaces like that. So to go into individual work with people, to really go deep with others and this is a very beautiful part now of my life. It took me a lot to have the courage to go this path, but I’m super grateful that I did it and a lot of things were opening for me since I did this.
• Olivier: [00:02:34] And what is your involvement in the love community and the job? And Nicola explain, you dedicate this full time to develop this accompaniment and I would not see business, but, you know, this profession about intimacy for individuals and groups and on your side, how do you contribute or co-create with him? And what is the proportion of your involvement because you are still an artist and a graphic, so…
• Steffi Eifler: [00:03:00] Both is, for me, not a contradiction because I’m actually integrating my artistic approach into the work with the love community and Nicola and me, we created this together. So it was a vision coming from a private dream for both of us, and then it evolved into the love community. So yes, we are both into this. It’s taking a lot of space and time as it is something so personal, and for that it’s just present every day. I cannot, in fact say, okay, I spend this amount of time in graphic design, this amount of time, the love community, because it is like the thing that is driving me.
• Olivier: [00:03:46] Thank you. What is your intention recording this episode together today?
• Steffi Eifler: [00:03:51] That’s a good question. I think I have followed my intuition And I would like to give your audience a little bit of an insight into our universe, into our world, as I think it’s something really beautiful to share for those who are open for it and want to go this path. I think that’s my intention. More or less.
• Olivier: [00:04:16] Thank you. What would be your definition of sexuality? If you want to today as you are, or you would put words on this amazing topic.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:04:27] I think sexuality for me is connected a lot with empowerment. Um, with me as I’m defining myself as a woman so I can really feel, uh, when I’m in my sexuality and I meet my sexual energy, I can really feel this ancient woman inside of me and all the power that is connected with that. So I’m not just connected to me, I’m also connected to all of the women before me. So this is a strong life force that is helping me to go through life. So if I would repress this, and I did repress this for a long time in my life, it has an effect on my whole body and my whole system. I’m not walking straight. I’m not stable, I’m not balanced. And now I feel in my power. I can face challenges more relaxed or balanced. I’m like more happy. So I feel really authentic. I feel I can express myself and expressing is a way to be, be in our world. And if I don’t express myself, I’m not. I’m kind of not visible. And sexuality is something that is familiar. Liberation and truly finding your authenticity and your inner wild woman, man, or everything in between.
• Olivier: [00:05:58] Oh, it’s so beautiful. And indeed, when I listened to your explanation, I really feel it’s a topic we cannot avoid at some point somewhere in the life. It’s something we need to embrace, to welcome and develop because it’s any way it’s there one way or another. And it’s bring empowerment, self-expression, authenticity, communication, wellness. It’s all about very important human needs and energies, and it’s all there in sexuality. And indeed, as you mentioned, when you suppress it, it gets impacts that it’s not visible necessarily there because it’s hidden in some taboo or with private life, and nobody can see it. But we can maybe see the effect of the suppression somewhere else in the life. So I just wonder if what was you mentioned, Tantra, but was this trigger point to start to unsuppressed or to welcome the sexuality in your life in a or is it? Or maybe because you met someone, or what was the element that guides you to feel more free? Because I think many people feel blocked at a certain point in their life, and it’s very inspiring people to know how everyone is progressing and open up there in this domain.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:07:18] In the end I was changing or I was doing this step because I was suffering a lot. So I choose very early in my life to be in war with me, with myself, my body. I did not like my body at all. I was super disconnected. Um, that was not necessarily coming from myself. That was coming more from outside. But yes, of course, when you’re a young person, you try to fit in. You try to stay a part of a social group, to feel secure, to feel safe. And I thought I had to change myself, to feel, to be loved, in fact. And so for a long time, I tried to be someone else. A very long time. But my body and my whole system felt like something is not right here. So it’s not who you are. And at one point, the suffering was huge. And I tried with therapies and I don’t know what to fix me to fix it. But what I realised is that therapy is happening in the mind, and it was the body that needs, needed attention. Then I discovered this tantric seminar. That was one I would really not recommend to someone, but I was able to really filter out the teaching for me. And after years, over years with a eating disorder and a really bad perception of my own body, I was finally free. I was able to be naked. There was no sexuality, nothing happening in this moment. Just to be naked as a human being between others. And I did not have the need to hide myself to cover myself before it was not possible. If I went to the sea with my friends, I always had a towel or something to hide my body, and at this moment I felt like, wow, I just opened the door I could not open for so many years. I have to know what is behind this door I have to go through and to check. Okay, what can I discover here? And that was not so easy because at this moment my relationship was a bit on stake and I had to make a decision for me or for the relationship for my partner. And I think what was coming in my mind was, okay, I have to be with me my whole life. But I can choose with who I want to be around me. What choice do I have at the end. I think this was the moment when I was stepping into a world where I had the feeling, okay, here I can heal my body and my connection between my body and my mind.
• Olivier: [00:10:10] Thank you for sharing that. I emphasise also on the way that, talking to the mind as is important, but there are some limits because some progress should go through the body, integrate and feel the body and welcome the body and be with the body and say, okay, we are not just a mind or a soul or thoughts. We are first the body also and is the direct way to ourself somehow. And it’s so beautiful. I would like to cover topics that motivates me to ask you to come to the microphone is to talk about the drawings that you are doing the genital drawings because with your own personality, but also your patience and your skills and artistic skills and knowledge, but also soft skills about it. It’s a wonderful universe. I have the chance to visit your place in Liège, and there are some drawings on the wall which I really love a lot. I like it a lot. Can you talk about it? This what you propose about the drawings and about the aesthetic of the genitals of the vulva? Because it’s so amazing. If you can talk half an hour about it, I will be so happy.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:11:27] Yes, I would love to talk about this. So for me, this topic is very much connected to my own story because I was so much disconnected with my body and also with my, um, sexual life that I was not really looking at my own yoni. So yoni is the Sanskrit word for the female genitals. For the vulva. For the vagina. So for me to reconnect with this body part was a big step to take a mirror to look at her. I call her because it’s a she and to acknowledge her in all her pain she had already in what she had to live so far. Some nice things, some really not nice things. And to be good with that and to say, wow, that’s me. That’s beautiful. And what I can see in our work is that a lot, a lot of women are not even looking at this body part. And it’s also really not easy. What you can see is not a lot. So you really need a mirror. You need an external tool to really check how do I look there actually? So, for men it’s more easy. Or for people with lingam it’s more easy because they have it maybe in the hand or they look at it daily. For us it’s not so easy that have a yoni. So we need really something extra to have a look. And as we have also some images, we know from the media how a yoni should look like, this is very limited. So the reality is just incredible, full of diversity and beauty. And a lot of women are a lot of people with yonis are think that they have not a beautiful yoni because it’s not matching to what they see in media. And for me, that’s just touching me a lot. And it’s very often very sad stories that are connected to this. What I do, I propose also some individual sessions where we meet, where we talk about the relationship to this body part, and then we make up a ritual. And during this ritual I make yoni drawings. That means I’m invited from the person to look at the yoni. And then I make sketches and I make it painting in the end. From my point of view as a graphic designer, it’s super interesting to see all these different shapes and forms, because when it comes to the theory of perception, our eyes are attracted to shapes that have like a wave form. So very linear shapes are very often not catching the eye. So when there is a person with a lot of skin, for example, the inner lips are a little bit bigger or there is a lot of skin around the clitoris. Some people are really not happy about this because they think it’s too much, and you can see too much of it, but for an eye, in fact, it’s super attractive. So you can see all the shapes and the forms when you can move it, even when you sit differently. It’s changing all the time. You have in this big variety you have with each human being. You have also with your own body, a huge variety. Because all of this is changing every day and you can put it in different angles and directions, and it’s just super nice for the occupation of the eye to look at it. And when I hear that people are taking out some skin making surgeries to match to this picture they receive from the media, wow. I feel a lot of sadness and anger also inside of me, because they try to adapt to something that is not the reality. It can be for reality for a few people. But yeah, it’s taking out the diversity of everyone else. And so I’m super happy when people come to me and do this work to change their point of view, maybe to their own body. So that’s a really wonderful work and very heartwarming and touching.
• Olivier: [00:15:39] I like these artistic eyes that you have, the look you have about the genitals, because the beauty is based on the curves, the organic shape, the roundness, the depth. Also, all this variation and the diversity, like it’s so rich element for the eyes. And then it’s also nourishing the mind. And the body also is very complex. And I like the way you can invite people to look at it different way. Maybe you have some advice for people that really have some challenge to look at themselves because they have a certain perspective or some glasses like the media, main media, glasses, whatever. It’s not a judgement. But of course we know what what we mean. There are more and more aesthetic surgery of the genitals, and people have already a difficulty to accept their own body. And it’s the same for the genitals. Usually it’s a bit coherent if you accept your face, your body, your hips, your arms, your fingers, whatever, then it’s coherent. With the genitals, sometimes it’s a taboo, or sometimes it’s the way to meet yourself, a different way to accept yourself a different way because it’s just you and yourself. Nobody else can see it except you decide and it’s your private life and you can start to meet yourself. Thanks to the yoni also.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:17:03] It’s not up to me to give advices. I think an invitation is maybe for my feeling the better. A word to really check. Okay. What is my feeling I have in this body part or somewhere else? A lot of people are in war with the body and do not like certain body parts, but the invitation in this case would for me to close the eyes and to touch the body with the image of how would I touch someone else, the person I love the most? What love would I give with my hands to this body? And just to stay in this image and to give this touch to your own body and to discover how is it looking like in my head? Does it feel good for my fingers or not? Most of the time, or not, is not existing because most of the time the sensation our bodies can give us is so beautiful that also the image of our body in our heads is becoming more beautiful. And this can be any body part if this is the yoni, if this is the lingam or the belly or whatever, doesn’t matter.
• Olivier: [00:18:19] Thank you. And so if people want to contact you, for instance, to experience welcoming their own genitals and make a drawings out of it, also like to celebrate and also appreciate themselves even better and honour this part of the body. How does it work? How do you how people can contact you to.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:18:41] First of all, via my website. I have on my website a page about this and there is also like a form they can fill already if they want to have that. I have already a small picture of what is maybe the topic or what they are looking for. They can also because it can be a fragile topic, so they can also just call me. We speak on the phone. This is most of the time the more easy way for everyone. The fear is not there that there are some data somewhere in internet that might be distributed somewhere. So I’m always happy to speak with the people because then I can feel what is the energy they can feel and if my energy is the good one for them. I think this is most of the time how it works and we speak about it. I invite them to come if they want, if they want to make this step. We have a talk before because the mood is changing each day, each second. So we will have again a talk. We will decide together what we do. If it is like in a body work session or if it is a drawing session, and then we go slowly into progress in the process very progressively. And also in the session I ask that the person is inviting me to look. So I want to empower the people and I don’t want to impose myself or my ideas. It’s really about they take the power in their hands and they say, okay, now you can look. And now I allow you, I give you the permission to draw. And this is the process, how it works. So in the end I make sketches. After this I make a painting and then they receive the painting in the end.
• Olivier: [00:20:31] Should be a wonderful moment for both of the people, for you and for the person to just create this kind of space, which is very pretty unique. I’ve seen wonderful pictures that you made and drawings. It’s really amazing. For me, it’s so much beauty in the way to do it and to welcome to accept this part of the body. Thank you for doing that.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:20:57] Thank you for resonating with it. Otherwise, it would be just a graphic designer sitting in a small room and painting.
• Olivier: [00:21:06] It’s usual to see that, to welcome others or appreciate you or for others. It’s important also to welcome and appreciate ourselves as we are. And if we are in love with symbiosis with our own body, it’s more easy to be that way with others. And sometimes you mentioned you can inspire yourself by how you behave with the body of someone else when you care. And maybe you can apply it to yourself or the universe, whatever. But it’s also an ongoing process between you and others. Whatever the starting point where you are. It’s nice to love yourself more, to also appreciate the moment with others even higher in a more wonderful way. It’s inspiring to meet you and Nicolas, to discover your universe and the way you accompany people. Is there other services that you propose in this intimacy domain? Whatever is about your artistic skills or within activities? About massage or with Nikola, what else do you want to share today or promote someone?
• Steffi Eifler: [00:22:15] Yes. So Nikola I think, was already sharing a little bit about the seminars we give about my own individual work. I do also massage, so it’s inspired by tantric massage, but it is more focussed on the heart. So very often people come and say they have some problems with the sexuality. And in the end, it’s not a problem of sexuality. It’s actually a closed heart or a heart that has already a lot of wounds, a lot of hurting pain. And so I focus more on this heart energy to create a protected space for people so that they can have a heart connection with themselves again, or in the couple as well. So people can also come when they have problems in the couple. We don’t find the passage to each other anymore. Okay. Then we analyse what is the fact and how can we open the eyes and ears and the heart again for each other? And this is what I love to do. It’s a very beautiful thing to open this heart energy. This can be a massage, but this can be also just a cuddling. So I propose also some cuddle sessions. Often people come with wounds about overstepping of boundaries. And of course, they want to be in touch. This is a basic need we have as a human being, but out of these wounds, they don’t dare anymore to get in contact with someone else. And then I can help. I can give some tools of communication. We can practice this in the sessions and they can nourish themselves at the same time. This is like beautiful. It’s just incredibly beautiful to do this with people, to accompany them and to hold space also when it’s not so easy.
• Olivier: [00:24:08] Thank you. It’s so nice to think and enjoy expressively in the opening of the heart and see if it’s what the heart is saying. Is it talking about pain and suffer or wounds or whatever. What is there and how we can just welcome and love ourself and listen what is there and how we can open up ourselves to more love. Because indeed, if you disconnect this channel and no nutriment can pass between us and others, how can we have a fulfilling life? It’s important to just reconnect and listen. What is there? I could imagine that sometimes there are some tears in this session.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:24:52] Just tears and anger. We have all the range of emotions, but it’s good and it’s beautiful. And also anger is very valid and very beautiful energy. Aggression is something else, of course. So we make also a huge difference between the subtleties but of course it can be accompanied like with a child when it’s growing and you see how it’s living all the emotions and doesn’t know what to do with it. This is the same for adults. So we don’t learn at school, unfortunately, how to deal with our emotions. So most of the time we repress them. And this is making this suffering we have as adults. It’s a big, big reprogramming to allow it to be there and to process it and to be okay with it and to parent yourself in it. Yeah, it’s maybe something that would be beautiful to learn already more early in our lives. Not everyone has the chance to do this.
• Olivier: [00:25:49] Thank you for creating this space. And any emotion is there. There is no hierarchy, really. It just. What is it? Is it anger or pain or joy or shyness or whatever? It’s what is there, is there. And I can just be present to welcome that. Wow. It’s already a two amazing topics you propose this a cuddling or heart with a massage or a heart opening session and the drawings of the the genitals. Is there any other amazing services that you propose? And that’s so beautiful.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:26:28] There are so many in the pipeline. I think that’s a bit a problem. We have so many ideas. I have so many ideas. But here we have to do one thing after the other. I think for now, the love community is really taking a lot of space and to build up the whole structure, to be in a good communication, to improve also ourselves, as in holding the space. So we are growing with the people. It’s not the one way thing. So we point out also again and again that we want that this is a place of growth with each other and we are super open for impulses. We love to share our impulses that we have already to speak about the structures we are living in, about the cliches we grow in, to see what is actually valid for me. It’s good that we have structures and boxes and cliches in our society, kind of because we need them a little bit to structure such a huge amount of people. But we are also free to really choose. Okay, what do I take for me? How do I define a certain term, a certain box someone else is putting me in? It’s up to me to design it, to create it for my own life. And this is what we do in this community to get rid of the stuff we don’t need anymore and to ask the question, what if you could feel completely safe in being the real you, authentic you? How would your life change in this moment? How would it look like? And then people have really a choice to reflect about their own lives, what they take from society or not, and to choose, okay, I want to stay in this or not.
• Olivier: [00:28:15] It’s really beautiful, the love community you are creating. As you mentioned, there are so much possibilities to create for you and Nikola. I would say vivid about many topics and the possibility of creation and new growth with people and the community step by step. Where is it possible to go and what is important between the discussion with people and the talk, and also the body experience? It’s so great. And I just want to remind people that Liege, of course, in Belgium we think that distance is long between cities. Steffi, you come from Germany. You have a different approach. Let’s say you come from Brussels or Namur or whatever. It’s not so far. In fact, you can join them in the love community. You can go to Liège regularly every month or whatever. It could be a nice journey for yourself. So, the distance is very close and I guess the community, the love community, is more local for the moment. Or is it coming from many? Because Liège is near Germany and Holland. So in fact, it’s nearly the border of three countries.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:29:23] In fact, the community is quite from everywhere. We have people coming from Germany, France. So, actually people come. Switzerland. So people come from everywhere. We are at the moment also building a lot of community in Germany, because it is so close and because we feel to merge these two cultures a little bit. And actually all the cultures we are very multicultural people, Nicola and me, and we love this mixture. So it is just so enriching to have people from different countries, from different societies, cultures in our space, because we can learn so much from each other. And yes, it’s funny with the language and sometimes it’s taking a bit time to translate. We have sometimes in the evenings we translate of course, also, but it’s a work that is so worth to do because we can see how it’s bringing the people together and that like borders are just in concept in our heads. So this is on the paper. This is nothing real, in fact. And so with this mindset, it’s so beautiful to offer these spaces. And what I wanted also to share about it. It’s not about a therapy or stuff like this. We have enough therapists in this world. That’s okay. But it is a place where you can be with what you bring. It’s a place of experience and this knowledge, what we were speaking about is knowledge of the body has not so much space to be expressed and not so much spaces to be considered. This is what we try to do in these spaces, to give place and space to the mind, to the body, and to be in this dance with each other for each person and then as a group as well. And then everything can be there. And the encouragement is also to follow what you feel in this moment. We have some framework, of course, that we can build up a protected space. So we have few rules you have to stick to. But within this field we can just be free in the expression of ourselves. And okay, how does it feel if I say no now to someone, is this a big challenge for me or not? How is the other one receiving the no or what if I don’t have now the drive to join this exercise? What if I just sit on the side and I watch? All of this is possible and present and this is okay. So it’s really a space where you can be with what you bring, and you cannot plan this before it will happen in this moment. And so there are no expectations. This is the thing that we want to create and to offer, because it’s not so often that you can have this somewhere else. I think this is more or less the idea of it.
• Olivier: [00:32:23] Thank you. Thank you Steffi. The time is running fast and it’s already the end of the podcast. Of course, you can come back any time you want. You have any inspiration in coming months and come up to the end of the podcast. Sometimes I ask the question to invitees. Do you have any advice in sexuality? Maybe way different than what you share already, but anything that could be useful for people, maybe just a nugget, you know, a tips or a suggestion. Even if you don’t want to give advice but a suggestion, you know, it could be a book, it could be a workshop or anything.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:33:02] It depends, of course, what is the life for the person? But I think what was interesting for me to deconstruct the role I am in as a woman, especially, was this book Ethical Slut? This is, I think, in French. This book was I think it’s also interesting when you just want to leave a monogamous relationship, but it is opening a little bit their perspective on relationships and on how can I be and can I leave my sexuality and take care of my partner/ partners? And this is not necessarily only connected to live in an open relationship or any other kind of relationship besides monogamous one. I think it’s just nice to see, okay, this is actually an idea. I grew into this relationship thing, monogamous, like we know it. Like everybody is considering it as normal. This is an idea, and I don’t have to sacrifice myself to stay in this. It’s actually only communicating. And maybe yes, I think maybe the tool I would like to share is really like the non-violent communication. This is so helpful for everything if it comes to sexuality or the daily life doesn’t matter.
• Olivier: [00:34:26] Thank you.
• Steffi Eifler: [00:34:28] Thank you too.
• Olivier: [00:34:29] Thank you for those suggestion. We’ll close with gratitude. It could be also about anything and any gratitude in your life. In the present moment, whatever. What’s resonates with you today?
• Steffi Eifler: [00:34:41] I think I would like to express my gratitude for life. First of all, and it was bringing me to Belgium and I was like, never expecting this, but voila, here I am. And yes, I have a lot of gratitude for myself that I had the courage to do it without knowing the outcome. And I have a lot of gratitude about these people around me, about Nicolas, of course, of the people from this love community that are so open and also to welcome me, the one that is not speaking really French with an open heart. It’s very beautiful and I’m very grateful for this. And of course, I’m grateful for you that I can come here and that you give me the space to talk about these topics that I really like, very connected to my heart and passion. And, um, yes, thank you very much for this.
• Olivier: [00:35:38] Thank you, Steffi, and I wish all of you a wonderful life and a wonderful sexuality, just as you are. So see you in the next podcast and you can also communicate with us with the voice message recording. So you can communicate with Steffi if you want to send us a message, will transmit her. And thank you for listening us. See you next time on.
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